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All Talladega engine blocks have the cars vin number stamped under the left drivers side head on a small raised pad.

All production Talladega's received a 6 blade non clutch fan in trade of the C9ZZ clutch fan.

Production Talladega's engine carried the 419 engine tag under the coil also stated on build sheets.. 

Production Talladega's had the small 428  4 V  Premium Fuel  Decal on the Chrome Air Cleaner Lid.

Some time on February 14th. 1969  production Value Covers  on the Cobra Jet engine changed from the chrome Power By Ford to the finned cast aluminum ones .

All production Talladega's received the C 6 Automatic Transmission with a cast Iron tail shaft and heavy duty Servo coded with the letter  R.

Also the Cars vin number is stamped in the top of the trans case on a flat pad at the base of the bell housing back slop .

All production Talladega's came with a 9 inch open 3:25 rear end.

Hood pins along with the Cobra snakes found on Torino/Fairlane Cobra models were DELETED on the Talladega's (2500 manual and not coded on build sheets)

More Deleted and added items to come like the tape strip white for Maroon and Pres, Blue T's and Black for the white T's Cool  

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It was the 4th. week of January 1969 before some of the 2500 information was compiled to make up what parts were to be added and deleted for the Talladega's .   What is interesting is the tape strips that were added to the Talladega's were entered with C9OX  which stood for C 60's part -9 1969 part -O Fairlane/ Torino line…. X  Muscle Parts . plus the tape strips were added with a part number for 4 pieces per side or 8 parts for the white as well as the black strips..  Front fender L/R…Top of Door L/R ,,,Top of quarter L/R…and rear quarter ext ion …. The X in the first part of the part number told line worker this was a special part or in this case tape stripe for the Muscle Parts Program……..

Later the tape strips were listed for replacement as :

C9OZ-63200000-K for the Black stripe & C9OZ-6300000-L for the white stripe….. Note the X was changed from a Muscle Part to a Z which stood for a in Service Part.

The T decal was also listed as a Muscle Part item with it later becoming a in Service Part with Part number : C9OZ-6340316 -C

It is a Fact most parts added to the 2500 Conversion were in fact added as parts from the Muscle Car Program …at least the Talladega Muscle Car Program.Cool

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Truck lights on your Talladega ?  About two years ago a man stopped at my shop and was telling me he used to work at Kar Kraft and was around there when they put the first Talladega together…He was for the most part into Drag Racing ….thing is he has some kool tales about that time frame 1968/1969.  Looking at the parking lights behind the grill on one of the T's in the shop he told me this story…….. You have to think of the time frame 1968 ..”Cars of the Sizzling 60's ” by Consumer Guide Auto Editors..points out 1968 Movies like Bullitt ,2001, TV like Bewitched ,Flipper, ..Rock and Roll, Hey Jude , Jumpin Jack Flash and see -through blouses,

Any way he said there was this young girl that would bring parts to their shop …He said with a smile see she was a 100% knock out Hippie Chick . He than told me she drove a new style for 68 Ford Econoline Van.  She wore the style of 1968..so help with getting parts in the shop well she had “No Problems”  any way one day she was in the drive way when a guy came out of the back room ( one of Mr. Holbrooks crew) and with a screw driver in hand removed the parking light from the poor Hippie Chicks van !  Now I have NO way to know if the Facts are true or a tail ..thing is it is a good story cause once they (Holbrooks Crew ) cut off the front section of that Torino's front end ..there was no parking /turn lamp any more !  Thus said to be how Part Number C9OX13200-A which later was entered as C8OZ13200E- 1E  got added to your Talladega.Cool

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This is a great segment Rick.  Keep it going!

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Thanks Mark ,,,,,, OK we told you how Truck part's were used for turn and park lights on the Talladega's …thing is by cutting the front of the Torino fender's off they also lost a front side marked light which the fed's made the auto makers add in late 67 .  To over come this a maker light from the front of the Ford Falcon was added to the end caps….these were put into a Chrome Benzel which came from the 1969 Ford Full size units.

Marker light assembly C9DZ-15A201-E 

Benzel – C9AZ – 15A440-ACool

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We have talked about the side marker lights (front) ,the park turn lights and as you can tell by looking at a T ,,,the head lights were also moved a head of the standard production Torino/Fairlane mounting point, this required a special head light ect. wiring extension . The extensions carry a special metal band that carries Kar Kraft numbers.

Do to all the changes to the lights stated above Ford had to run test's on a Talladega to make sure the units would meet minimum Federal Standards.

The extensions were put into production under part number C9OX-130008-A and 13035-A.Cool

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Rick, this is very interesting stuff! Thanks! 

Regarding the black on the back panel: Did any other Torinos have this?  Is it the same “texture” as the hood/cowl cover?  I have very carefully scraped the top layer of blue just beneath my trunk trim and that black is UNDER the blue paint but below the trim is just the black.  It appears to me the black was sprayed on first, then masked off and the body color sprayed on?  Can anyone confirm/deny this? 

The bezels you mention for the front signals-are they the same as the rears?

Sorry for all the questions. Just ordered and body manual so maybe a lot of these questions will be answered there…

Regards, Jim

 

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Jim,

As to the flat black on the tail panel….we have a untouched paint wise Talladega here and if you open the trunk and peel back the trunk  rubber a bit you will see body color also just below the rubber you should see body color a than a tape line where the body color was taped and the flat black was sprayed …thus the Black was added to the tail panel after body was painted……this could be different on your car if it has been repaired or repainted at some time.

As to the paint being same as cowl panel and hood it is the same paint for all 3 body parts….I have found NO primer under the flat black on the hood nor the cowl panel and very little under the tail panel.   Keep in mind back in 69 body's were sprayed by humans and not machines like today.

The Flat Black used back than was from PPG and was called Duracryl Acrylic Lacquer number DDL 9381 H P Black  Note : Do not Polish .  It sells on the net now and than but last quart I saw on web was 400.00 dollars.  There is a company re-doing it in a spray able forum with today's paint laws. I will get it and post it.

As to the Bezels ! The rear Bezels are same as front :Tip check the Mustang part dealers same front and rear as on 69 Mustang fastback as front /rear on a Talladega.Cool Thanks for the ? 's

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Jim,

Try  WWW.autocolorlibrary.com check on paint  it is a textured semi Gloss Black.Cool

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Rick, thank you so much!  But I can't locate that color anywhere. (?) After some more probing, sanding, scratching, etc, it appears my car had a quickie respray job many years ago. Not on the roof or hood but pretty much all the side panels and trunk lid. I found the bezels as you said-thanksSmile 

Regards, Jim

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Jim,

I looked for the company that was re-mixing it and selling on line , they not on line any more……thing is with EPA outlawing Lacquer and cost of shipping paint I can see why !

You can try this :  Go to a PPG dealer and ask them to see if they have a forum for the paint and if they can mix it in Omni….If they do not have a forum ask them to see if they can get the forum from the PPG Library in a forum they can mix…. if that does not work go to a Sherwin Williams auto paint dealer and get 1 quart paint of T1F271  Flating agent  and than 1 quart of  Black 1738  this paint is a Urethane  the mix is one to one .  Do a few test panels for best match.  thing is distance of gun from surface ,air pressure drop and temp can change the final finish.  as to thinner use the fastest they have in stock for the Urethane if you need it…..Paint from the driver side in this keeps center of hood wet as you swap sides ><.

There is a Rusto paint (I think 7777 Satin Black) they sell at like Wall Mart.

A friend of mine used a spray bomb of this to match the 9381 to fix a scratch on the hood of his Talladega,  I will check on correct number and let you know. He said it was right on !  

Carpaintonline.com  show they can mix but on line do not show in stock the 9381 may try them 800-928-9774. Rock and Roll……….Cool

 

Edit ………Jim try Auto Body Depot – 858-695-2900  they the ones selling on e-bay some time ago.    Laugh

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We have talked about how more than one Talladega  has lost some of it's key parts for some 70's speed parts or another Cobra Jet restoration.

3 of the most common parts to be removed were the intake, carburetor, and air cleaner !

If this the case with your T here are the correct part numbers for these parts.

Intake:  Part # C8OZ-9424-B

            Casting # C8OZ-9425-C

 

Carburetor :   Tag I D Automatic with Emissions

                 C9OF-9510-H

 

Air Cleaner : Before 2-17-69

                   part # C8OZ-9600-C

                   After 2-17-69

                   part # C9OZ-9600-H

As the air cleaners are tin they do not have a number cast into them ,they have a white casting # printed on them these are same as part #'s for proper air cleaner Cool

 

 


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Hi Rick.

Thanks for that info.  I have a good friend that works for Sherwin Williams plant here near Cleveland.  He's a paint development guy he says he can get that paint for me. (bottom of the hood finished the same?) I have the correct manifold and carb, but holy cow the air cleaner and emissions stuff is like GOLD!!  I bought an air cleaner that will work, and to the casual observer it even sorta looks 'correct' but its not.  The correct stuff is way down the priority list so maybe I'll get lucky and stumble on the correct parts someday…Confused

Regards, Jim

Tried a photo experiment here, too!

 

 

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Jim,

She look's good !  Yes underside is same as cowl panel (from factory was painted on car) and tail panel.    

Air cleaner is same as Boss 302  one reason for high dollar on that part.

 

Rick,  

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When Ford wrote the pages on the changes from a plain Cobra to a Talladega they stated  : Vehicles built to these specifications have max em speed potential which will significantly exceed regular production  vehicle performance .

In order to also show this Ford changed  the standard door tag Part # C7AB 6201631-A  to part # C8ZX-6301631-A …..This was the High Performance door tag used on the 1968 1/2 428 C.J. Mustang's .Cool    

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All Talladega's  had a 'Speckled Pattern rear trunk mat'.

In the center of the rear tail panel on the fake gas cap as it is sometimes called was decal C9OZ-6340316-C  this decal was blue with a black back ground and silver outline.

Talladega's did not come from the factory with a leather steering wheel wrap or cover like the Spoiler II's did.  These were  Popular in the late 60's early 70's so it not to say a first owner or even a dealer added one but not factory correct  for the T's .

Talladega's received staggered  rear shocks from the factory. When looking at the upper mounting point right side you see the rear floor pan was cut out with a torch ! This is correct from the factory . Talladega's were bucked up with Automatic floor pan sheet metal. Most Staggered shocked Torino/Fairlanes were 4 speed cars, thus Ford had to cut a hole in the rear floor pan to mount the staggered shocks to the Automatic sheet metal.Cool 

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If you have been  visiting this site for some time you have read the posts as to the Talladega's having chrome exhaust tips.  Well the fact is all “Production ” Talladega's came from the factory with Chrome Exhaust tips !  This is backed up by the markings on the Talladega build sheets, plus the chrome tips were standard items on the Torino/Fairlane   Cobra models and were not a delete item in the 2500 change manual.  

To double check this I took some build sheets for just plain Cobra models and cross checked them with the Talladega build sheets we have .

The numbers and entry codes are the same on both the Cobra and Talladega units . I know one T owner was set in the fact his Talladega did not have Chrome tips and we have pictures of the France Talladega with turn down pipes.. well the France T was in fact bucked up in Dec. of 68 and was finished at Kar Kraft  in mid January of 69 this car best I can read the build sheet did not get chrome tips …..Thing is all other T build sheets we have show the Chrome tips were installed at the factory.  

You have to think a T being restored now or a few years ago was 35 to 40 plus years old.  Do you really think the factory tail pipes were original ?

A NOS set of these tips is really hard to fine .  Re-pops can be obtained from Marty Burke.    Cool

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Rick,

 

On the subject of repops for hard to find parts, I know that someone is now reproducing the air cleaner lids (I see them periodically on E-Bay); but, I haven't seen the same for the bases.  You wouldn't happen to know if anyone is currently replacing those, by any chance?

 

Also, on the exhaust (and other “deviations from standard”) issue:  I think anytime we are looking at a prototype (such as the Bill France car), the rules that apply to the production cars are “out the window,” since these cars (the prototypes) all began as something else (e.g., GT, Cobra, etc.).  

 

Are you aware of any production Talladegas that were built differently with regard to radio vs radio delete vs AM/FM, or hood pins vs not, or any other oddities?  I have heard rumors of a “heater delete” Talladega having been built (similar to the heater delete Spoiler II that belongs to Richard and Katrina); but, I have never come across its actual existence, nor have I ever heard about its verification.

 

I realize that they shouldn't have been different; but, in an assembly line environment, I've learned that you never say never until you have actually reviewed each one (or at least its paperwork).  Even then, you could have had a worker that might have messed up, or even tried to slip something through, that actually got past the inspector(s).

 

Thanks,

Carl.

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No I have never seen on a Production T build sheet a heater delete,  nor a letter entry for other than a AM radio .      All the factory invoices show a AM radio like the one we posted for your T a few years back on TorinoCobra.com  (Rick Ochs Talladega page). What were you asking about a yellow Conv Talladega I think….Did you ever find that car ??? 

As to a base for the air cleaner….There is a man in Wis. re-making bases but I have not needed one so do not know how they are , he also re-makes the smog parts.

I have worked on the line in a Torino plant and you read the build sheet and at the end of each sub line the added parts are checked per that sheet and if a wrong part is installed it is changed  right than and there by the repair man.  It would be hard for a worker on the line to slip by a AM /FM in place of a AM and  as we have read the Talladega's were watched  with a very watch full eye during there time on the line.

It is what it is… leather wraps hood pins, radio's and the likes were printed out for line workers to install parts on each unit………hood pins and other parts stated before were hot in the late 60's early 70's so a dealer could have added say a AM/FM to a T for a profit after all back than add  on's were where the money was at. But the reason for my work here is to try and help a T owner at least a Production T  try and get the factory correct parts .Cool

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Rick,

 

No, I never did find anthing out about a supposed yellow convertible.  I think my source of this particular rumor was actually confusing the Bunkie Knudsen car with a non-existant convertible (at least the Bunkie car was yellow…)

 

I really appreciate your insight on the attention to detail that was shown to our Talladegas at the factory.  I used to hear about parts being omitted, or added by factory workers from the children of said workers, when I was in high school.  Apparently, not all factories adhered to the same level of perfection.  Most of the stories I heard reflected practices at a local Ford plant that specialized in A/C units and radiators – this factory is now closed…  Likewise, we used to see cars delivered to the local Chevrolet dealership with non-matching wheels – they might be steel on one side, and something else on the opposite.

 

Thanks for the info on the air cleaners from the guy in Wisconsin.  If you happen to come across any contact information for him, I would appreciate it. 

 

Also, thanks for the info on our cars.  Until one of your recent posts, I was under the impression that the vinyl steering wheel wraps that many of our cars have/had were factory on the Talladegas.  However, I'm not sure where I originally got that impression – probably from some magazine articles of questionable correctness.  (Perhaps they were thinking of the Spoiler II?)

 

 

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  1. HALOWE says:

    My opinion is that if it is on a Marti Report and/or a 999, clearly the pins were factory options. Neither of these reports reflect dealer installed options.

    Oddly, my T has the hood modified on the underside bracing structure (but not cut out on the top of the hood) for a hood pin ON ONLY ONE SIDE! I need to compare to my two ’69 Cobra hoods that have factory hood pins to see what they look like on the underneath. They are stored about 100 miles away from me, so it will be a few weeks before I have that opportunity.

    Also oddly enough, my ’70 Cobra that I’ve owned since ’79 has factory push-and-twist hood pins (standard, not an option), but the radiator support only has a receiver on one side! The other side has dimples where the two holes should have been drilled to mount the receiver, but it was never done.

    • Carl Sharp says:

      As you can see from the Talladega Forum, on this site, we really don’t believe that hood pins were an option on any of the production Talladegas (at least from the factory). I refer you to the response by Rich Ochs (and others) on this topic which has been addressed pretty thoroughly in the forum. The instructions to the factory were very clear that these cars were NOT to get hood pins.

      As to the validity of Ford’s 999 reports, and the Marti reports (especially the early ones), I wouldn’t be too confident in either of them. Both have contained numerous “major” errors. For example, Ford’s 999 report often refers to our Talladegas as Mustangs. Likewise, all of the early Marti reports assumed that the same rules that applied to Mustangs also applied to our Talladegas. (Not true.)

      • ROB HUNT says:

        I agree the Ford 999 reports were very vague. I had a 4.30 Drag pack car I tried to document back in 2000. The 999 said it was an R code with optional rear axle lol.

  2. ron woshner says:

    looks like there may be a cyclone gt- 500 on e bay.

  3. christian sherman says:

    Just picked up a Gurney!!! Barn fresh!!! LITERALLY

  4. Terry Butler says:

    Why does the article say the bumper was flipped upside down?

    • Carl Sharp says:

      Mostly, because the author made a mistake… It was not flipped. It was sectioned on both sides, v-d in the middle, and filled on the ends.

  5. Greg Klinke says:

    Trying to repaint my headlight bezels and front grill black. Took some “before” pictures, but you know how that goes. Was wondering if someone could take some close-up pics so I can get it painted correctly. Thanks

  6. Randolph Dolensek says:

    Hi Everyone,I am going to have my Dan Spoiler II painted & the body shop wants something to show him the paint design.Is there anything drawn that I can give him? Thanks Randy

  7. Randolph Dolensek says:

    My Dan is getting painted today! Pretty exciting after having it for 9 years.

  8. Mike Hendricks says:

    I have a 69 Torino GT I converted to a Talladega back in 1975. I bought the car in 1975. I had a customer of mine who owned who had an orginal T, and wrecked it by a deer running in front of him. He removed the front end, and put a Torino front end on it. He gave me the front end for free. The only piece I had to replace was the left front fender. I went to my local Ford dealer, and bought one. They ordered it from Ford. It has H/M stamped on the fender lip. I believe it cost around $250.00 at the time.
    I still have the orginal fender which was not all that bad. Back them, it was cheaper to buy a new fender, than to repair.
    I still own the car, and deive it in the summers. I have the car apart noe, and am repainting it with Whimbleton white. I put in it an AOD transmission for better fuel. The engine is a 351, which rebuilt in the 80’s. It is in excellant shape, as I always garaged it. I repersent it as a clone, not as a real T. 99% of people do not know of a Talladega, never heard of them.
    Ihave owner Talladega’s over the years, and have sold them, all except for my clone. It was always less expensive to drive. I enjoy it.

    • Richard says:

      Mke, thank you for your comments. Interesting story on the Talladega front end. By chance do you know the VIN of the Talladega that got the Torino nose? What city as it in and what color was it?

      As for your car I encourage you to Register it in our Talladega Registry as a Clone. We already have one clone Spoiler II registered. It hels insure the no one in the future will try to sell the car s the real deal. I also want to thank you for becoming a Team Member and invite you to bring your car to any of our Talladega Family Reunion events or other activities.

      • Mike Hendricks says:

        Richard, the orginial T, where I got the front end, was Royal Maroon. I do not have the orginal VIN. The city is Fort Wayne, Indiana. I remember seeing the T at a local Ford dealer in New Haven, Indiana. The dealer at that time was Delagrange Ford in New Haven. They sold the car new in, if I remember right, late 1969, around September, or October.The car was around Ft. Wayne for a couple years, and the orginal ownerof the car decided to quit driving it, because the water pump was getting noisy, if I remember right. It sat behind a local bowling alley for quiet a long time. I tried to buy it, and he was not sure if he wanted to sell. I checked with him for several months, to no avail. I stopped in one night, bought him a beer, and he said to see him tomorrow. I went to hopefully buy the car, and he sold it to a customer of mine. Not sure why, but it was gone. The guy who bought it was only 16, maybe 17. I knew what was going to happen, and it did. First a deer, then after he repaired it, he lost controll and crashed it for the final time. The insurance co. totaled it, they halled it off, and sold it for junk would be my guess. He did not know where it went, and I did not persue it. Coulda, shoulda, wooda?? The price we had talked about was $2500. at the time. I lost track of him over the years. The last time I saw him he had another 428 Cobra, 69 Torino. But this has been 74-75, so it has been long gone.
        I have, and will look again for any I D on the parts. The only numbers/letters are date codes on some parts.
        I can send pictures of the orginal fender, in it orginal color, with white stripe. Any other parts and the entire car I could send pix also.
        I will register my car as a clone in the registry, so it cannot be declaired a factory T. I will look foreward to joining you in future events, and reunions. Any other info I can think of I will supply. Any other items you would like to know, just ask.
        Thank you,

        Mike

  9. Joseph Trapani says:

    Hello everyone, im looking for Rick Ores site and cant find it, I talked to Rick about selling my T 7 years ago, and just count do it, well im 55 now and had it in heated garage since 1976 when I bought it, drove it 4000 miles since 76, 192193, I had some nice offers on ot since it is just about original as I bought it , and runs well, drivers seat split just like I bought it, I wanted to call Rick to give it a good home, it needs paint but paint is good for 40 years old, it is very special to me and is a very rare find today and back in 1976 when I bought it,has stock ex on it yet,loltrunk mat spare,Funny thing about the car is LW Miller II I bought it from, and his son LW III married Kelly Eharnhart , I bought it from Wayne LWs Dad so Wayne could put Brett Bodine in his first Modified ride, This car has History I Cant tell you on the internet!As Brett or Jeff Bodine about it
    I want a good home for it I bought it in 76 , and still has the life in it to last another 40 years,one solid original car.
    My father and I took it to Talladega reunion in 1989 and have lots of pics of it there , dam thing looks the same as it did back then and runs just as well
    Joe T
    And Wayne will vogue for me,

  10. Joseph Trapani says:

    im ready in the next month to sell my T and will set up a pic account if anyone is interested,
    ive known the car since 1971, bought it in 1976, just changed Title from my father name to mine Dads 80 years young to me, my Dad gave me the money to buy a car when I grad from HS, in 1976, T had 41700 on T and has 48522 miles on it now, same shap as I bought it, a good 3-to a 2
    You will not find a better T to make your own,
    jtrapani@rocketmail.com, ask Rick Orrs
    now do I ebay it?
    Really?
    What a investment
    Joe T

  11. Mark says:

    I found a Cale Yarborough special in va beach in a back yard I was wondering if it is registered or if any body knows of it

    • Richard says:

      I would be happy to help you but I need the VIN to find any info on it. It will be located on the dashboard just behind the windshield on the driver side.

  12. Scott Springer says:

    my T on ebay

  13. Joe Machado says:

    I have been collecting serial numbers since the 69 Daytona was new. I have a serial number book for both Talladega’s and SpoilerII’s. I also collected the other 3 cars: Daytona, SuperBird and the 69 500. I would need a specific individual to send the info to and they have the understanding that the info is free to your members-events. I owned a Daytona 18 years. I also owned 3 69 500’s. One of the 500’s was THE Public Relations car, the HEMI 500 in red with white interior and white stripe. The owner that restored the HEMI changed the interior to black. WRONG. My Daytona was one of 2 Daytonas used as Dodge Performance Show Cars.

  14. Richard Wager says:

    subject (how many talladegas) Has anyone seen youtube American muscle car #S02E03 ford fairlane gt and Talladega it runs for 22:35 min. total, at 11:16 to 11:27 min. Ralph Moody states that less than not even 500 were made.
    Interesting to say the least and kinda dispels the 754 number wonder if that helps with anyone’s research

  15. gerald hege says:

    I have a question in regards to part numbers C7ZZ-9B445-C and C9ZZ-9B445-A
    ( Exhaust Air supply Manifold Assembly for 1969 Talladega 428. Mine are leaking and i was wondering if it is possible to find a replacement or should I remove the system or plug off the rails?

  16. sven busch says:

    Hello there, did someone know where I can get some lowering parts for my spoiler?

  17. David Miller says:

    I am looking for the correct linkage for my 390 4brl. When I got the car it had a cheap after market carb and a Mickey mouse cable system. I have tried several vendors to no avail. Hoping maybe some one has one on a spare car or engine, at this point even a good picture with measurements would work and I will fabricate the rest. Thanks Munch

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