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Engine for the T is pretty much done. I need to get the trans done so I can bolt them together for my “hillbilly runup stand” I have found a couple of markings. A ‘4’ next to a ‘9’ on the left bell housing, and a ‘3’ on top of a red splotch on the left side center case. Can anyone confirm/deny? Any other marks I missed? Trans has the correct VIN stamped in it….
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Jim

I’ll send Richard pictures of what I have.
I just can’t get pictures to attach…..

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Jim,
I have a extra trans out of a Talladega, one I used for Vin location and tail shaft pictures.
I went out and cleaned it up best I could and on the center top of bell housing I found a 4 cast in the housing.
On the bell housing left side I found a 9 painted on in black, right above that and to the left a bit is a what I take to be a backwards P with a X just to the left . Right above that is what could be a reddish paint dab
the X P is done in white paint….. I am not FOR sure : I have seen in some of the Ford Factory parts books when you look up code U transmission, it states C6 Automatic (XP) I have been told the XP stood for Extra Performance also been told the XP stands for extra packing as to the automatic clutch packing. I have no documentation as to ether one being correct. ( I do now have a factory rebuild book on the C6 just have not had time to read it with all the trips to doctors ) I think it was Carl Sharp who said when he took his Talladega trans to the re builder , the re builder told him the trans had extra parts in it best as I can recall.
Now on the side of the case (left ) right above the FOMOCO logo I have a 3 painted on in a reddish color .
The trans is in the back part of shop and light not best ….I did take pictures as I found the marking and than high lighted the making with white chalk. I will send Richard the pictures and may-be he can post with your topic. I will also send to your e-mail 2 high lighted pictures….. if you want shots before high lighted just let me know. Hope this help with your restoration. Rick O….

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I just took my trans out today for a re-build (running fine, but leaks a ton especially over the winter)/ I didn’t find any written markings on the outer casing (though I will give a closer look tomorrow0. I found the partial VIN number (matching, thank God). I also found a hand written marking on the Torque Converter (CCT415 maybe?). By the time I had wiped off the trans build some of the marking had run. Also some pin paint. Anyone else seen this before?/

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Mark,
Never really took close look at converter…..have to clean up one and see what I may find ? Back when Jim was talking about the Marking he found on his ( Jim has some outstanding pictures of the marking he found) I latter received an e-mail from a Lady who worked at the transmission assembly plant. She told me the XP paint marking’s on the case outside was to let the next station’s know this C6 was build with the heavy clutch packing that amounted to a extra clutch packing.
She said this would tell workers the trans was to receive the cast iron tail shaft and R servo unit thus the large R found on the out side of the case…….Like many of the under body parts that received paint marking you had many worker’s at sub assembly plants marking these parts for shipment to the Auto assembly plants so as the marking are the same letter, paint color strip or dab…each marking had a place to be applied but it was not uncommon for a worker to get creative as to how they marked transmission cases …thus you may find the R painted on upside down or the X next to an up-side down P.
Good luck with your rebuild.
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Mark, My converter had similar writing on it, but I can’t find a picture of it. Not really even sure if I did take a picture!
I do have plenty of pictures of the outside markings on the case. If you want them send me your email address and I’ll get them to you, along with some explanation of what I found.
Regards, Jim
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My trans is back in and I’m slowly getting it buttoned back up. Now, a couple questions for the Guru!

1) what color is the inspection cover from the lower front of the bell housing? Mine was painted engine blue somewhere along the way but I suspect it should probably be Detail Gray, can you confirm?

2) What is the proper U-joint part number for our cars. In looking through the Ford Parts Book it looks like C3AZ-4635-G for the front and -H for the rear.

3) What is the yellow color on the trans dipstick tube? Mine is actually in pretty good shape (yellow is still bright and not too scratched up). Does the dipstick handle get the same color? Anything out there available that is “pretty close?”

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Mark,
From the factory the covers were just stamped metal no paint…..A light blasting and detail gray or now they have satin clear coats which is being used a lot…protection with no gloss. I have to dig up the paint code for the yellow and the U joint numbers get back to you later today..

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Mark you are correct on the Ford numbers for the u-joints. They were the Cleveland type group 1330.
Spicer number 5-1203X front and 5-1204X rear.
Now as to the trans tube……. we use a 1970 Ford color that when you look it up in 1969 it does not show..thing is under 1970 color chips it shows up as a 1969 color…it is 3217 bright yellow…..this has a Custer shade to it…. now I have had a few restorers tell me they used GM 1969 Daytona yellow code 51…….Hope this helps.

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Thanks Rick, that helps a lot. – Mark

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  1. HALOWE says:

    My opinion is that if it is on a Marti Report and/or a 999, clearly the pins were factory options. Neither of these reports reflect dealer installed options.

    Oddly, my T has the hood modified on the underside bracing structure (but not cut out on the top of the hood) for a hood pin ON ONLY ONE SIDE! I need to compare to my two ’69 Cobra hoods that have factory hood pins to see what they look like on the underneath. They are stored about 100 miles away from me, so it will be a few weeks before I have that opportunity.

    Also oddly enough, my ’70 Cobra that I’ve owned since ’79 has factory push-and-twist hood pins (standard, not an option), but the radiator support only has a receiver on one side! The other side has dimples where the two holes should have been drilled to mount the receiver, but it was never done.

    • Carl Sharp says:

      As you can see from the Talladega Forum, on this site, we really don’t believe that hood pins were an option on any of the production Talladegas (at least from the factory). I refer you to the response by Rich Ochs (and others) on this topic which has been addressed pretty thoroughly in the forum. The instructions to the factory were very clear that these cars were NOT to get hood pins.

      As to the validity of Ford’s 999 reports, and the Marti reports (especially the early ones), I wouldn’t be too confident in either of them. Both have contained numerous “major” errors. For example, Ford’s 999 report often refers to our Talladegas as Mustangs. Likewise, all of the early Marti reports assumed that the same rules that applied to Mustangs also applied to our Talladegas. (Not true.)

      • ROB HUNT says:

        I agree the Ford 999 reports were very vague. I had a 4.30 Drag pack car I tried to document back in 2000. The 999 said it was an R code with optional rear axle lol.

  2. ron woshner says:

    looks like there may be a cyclone gt- 500 on e bay.

  3. christian sherman says:

    Just picked up a Gurney!!! Barn fresh!!! LITERALLY

  4. Terry Butler says:

    Why does the article say the bumper was flipped upside down?

    • Carl Sharp says:

      Mostly, because the author made a mistake… It was not flipped. It was sectioned on both sides, v-d in the middle, and filled on the ends.

  5. Greg Klinke says:

    Trying to repaint my headlight bezels and front grill black. Took some “before” pictures, but you know how that goes. Was wondering if someone could take some close-up pics so I can get it painted correctly. Thanks

  6. Randolph Dolensek says:

    Hi Everyone,I am going to have my Dan Spoiler II painted & the body shop wants something to show him the paint design.Is there anything drawn that I can give him? Thanks Randy

  7. Randolph Dolensek says:

    My Dan is getting painted today! Pretty exciting after having it for 9 years.

  8. Mike Hendricks says:

    I have a 69 Torino GT I converted to a Talladega back in 1975. I bought the car in 1975. I had a customer of mine who owned who had an orginal T, and wrecked it by a deer running in front of him. He removed the front end, and put a Torino front end on it. He gave me the front end for free. The only piece I had to replace was the left front fender. I went to my local Ford dealer, and bought one. They ordered it from Ford. It has H/M stamped on the fender lip. I believe it cost around $250.00 at the time.
    I still have the orginal fender which was not all that bad. Back them, it was cheaper to buy a new fender, than to repair.
    I still own the car, and deive it in the summers. I have the car apart noe, and am repainting it with Whimbleton white. I put in it an AOD transmission for better fuel. The engine is a 351, which rebuilt in the 80’s. It is in excellant shape, as I always garaged it. I repersent it as a clone, not as a real T. 99% of people do not know of a Talladega, never heard of them.
    Ihave owner Talladega’s over the years, and have sold them, all except for my clone. It was always less expensive to drive. I enjoy it.

    • Richard says:

      Mke, thank you for your comments. Interesting story on the Talladega front end. By chance do you know the VIN of the Talladega that got the Torino nose? What city as it in and what color was it?

      As for your car I encourage you to Register it in our Talladega Registry as a Clone. We already have one clone Spoiler II registered. It hels insure the no one in the future will try to sell the car s the real deal. I also want to thank you for becoming a Team Member and invite you to bring your car to any of our Talladega Family Reunion events or other activities.

      • Mike Hendricks says:

        Richard, the orginial T, where I got the front end, was Royal Maroon. I do not have the orginal VIN. The city is Fort Wayne, Indiana. I remember seeing the T at a local Ford dealer in New Haven, Indiana. The dealer at that time was Delagrange Ford in New Haven. They sold the car new in, if I remember right, late 1969, around September, or October.The car was around Ft. Wayne for a couple years, and the orginal ownerof the car decided to quit driving it, because the water pump was getting noisy, if I remember right. It sat behind a local bowling alley for quiet a long time. I tried to buy it, and he was not sure if he wanted to sell. I checked with him for several months, to no avail. I stopped in one night, bought him a beer, and he said to see him tomorrow. I went to hopefully buy the car, and he sold it to a customer of mine. Not sure why, but it was gone. The guy who bought it was only 16, maybe 17. I knew what was going to happen, and it did. First a deer, then after he repaired it, he lost controll and crashed it for the final time. The insurance co. totaled it, they halled it off, and sold it for junk would be my guess. He did not know where it went, and I did not persue it. Coulda, shoulda, wooda?? The price we had talked about was $2500. at the time. I lost track of him over the years. The last time I saw him he had another 428 Cobra, 69 Torino. But this has been 74-75, so it has been long gone.
        I have, and will look again for any I D on the parts. The only numbers/letters are date codes on some parts.
        I can send pictures of the orginal fender, in it orginal color, with white stripe. Any other parts and the entire car I could send pix also.
        I will register my car as a clone in the registry, so it cannot be declaired a factory T. I will look foreward to joining you in future events, and reunions. Any other info I can think of I will supply. Any other items you would like to know, just ask.
        Thank you,

        Mike

  9. Joseph Trapani says:

    Hello everyone, im looking for Rick Ores site and cant find it, I talked to Rick about selling my T 7 years ago, and just count do it, well im 55 now and had it in heated garage since 1976 when I bought it, drove it 4000 miles since 76, 192193, I had some nice offers on ot since it is just about original as I bought it , and runs well, drivers seat split just like I bought it, I wanted to call Rick to give it a good home, it needs paint but paint is good for 40 years old, it is very special to me and is a very rare find today and back in 1976 when I bought it,has stock ex on it yet,loltrunk mat spare,Funny thing about the car is LW Miller II I bought it from, and his son LW III married Kelly Eharnhart , I bought it from Wayne LWs Dad so Wayne could put Brett Bodine in his first Modified ride, This car has History I Cant tell you on the internet!As Brett or Jeff Bodine about it
    I want a good home for it I bought it in 76 , and still has the life in it to last another 40 years,one solid original car.
    My father and I took it to Talladega reunion in 1989 and have lots of pics of it there , dam thing looks the same as it did back then and runs just as well
    Joe T
    And Wayne will vogue for me,

  10. Joseph Trapani says:

    im ready in the next month to sell my T and will set up a pic account if anyone is interested,
    ive known the car since 1971, bought it in 1976, just changed Title from my father name to mine Dads 80 years young to me, my Dad gave me the money to buy a car when I grad from HS, in 1976, T had 41700 on T and has 48522 miles on it now, same shap as I bought it, a good 3-to a 2
    You will not find a better T to make your own,
    jtrapani@rocketmail.com, ask Rick Orrs
    now do I ebay it?
    Really?
    What a investment
    Joe T

  11. Mark says:

    I found a Cale Yarborough special in va beach in a back yard I was wondering if it is registered or if any body knows of it

    • Richard says:

      I would be happy to help you but I need the VIN to find any info on it. It will be located on the dashboard just behind the windshield on the driver side.

  12. Scott Springer says:

    my T on ebay

  13. Joe Machado says:

    I have been collecting serial numbers since the 69 Daytona was new. I have a serial number book for both Talladega’s and SpoilerII’s. I also collected the other 3 cars: Daytona, SuperBird and the 69 500. I would need a specific individual to send the info to and they have the understanding that the info is free to your members-events. I owned a Daytona 18 years. I also owned 3 69 500’s. One of the 500’s was THE Public Relations car, the HEMI 500 in red with white interior and white stripe. The owner that restored the HEMI changed the interior to black. WRONG. My Daytona was one of 2 Daytonas used as Dodge Performance Show Cars.

  14. Richard Wager says:

    subject (how many talladegas) Has anyone seen youtube American muscle car #S02E03 ford fairlane gt and Talladega it runs for 22:35 min. total, at 11:16 to 11:27 min. Ralph Moody states that less than not even 500 were made.
    Interesting to say the least and kinda dispels the 754 number wonder if that helps with anyone’s research

  15. gerald hege says:

    I have a question in regards to part numbers C7ZZ-9B445-C and C9ZZ-9B445-A
    ( Exhaust Air supply Manifold Assembly for 1969 Talladega 428. Mine are leaking and i was wondering if it is possible to find a replacement or should I remove the system or plug off the rails?

  16. sven busch says:

    Hello there, did someone know where I can get some lowering parts for my spoiler?

  17. David Miller says:

    I am looking for the correct linkage for my 390 4brl. When I got the car it had a cheap after market carb and a Mickey mouse cable system. I have tried several vendors to no avail. Hoping maybe some one has one on a spare car or engine, at this point even a good picture with measurements would work and I will fabricate the rest. Thanks Munch

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